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“Change will not come if we wait for some other person, or if we wait for some other time. We are the ones we’ve been waiting for. We are the change that we seek.” – Barack Obama 

Our society is experiencing deep disconnection, turmoil, and uncertainty. As we face two devastating crises, we also have an incredible opportunity. We get to decide if we will remain in fear, struggle, and disconnection—or instead create a brighter future focused on solutions, equality, and connection. 

I couldn’t think of anyone better suited to address this topic than Dr. Michael Bernard Beckwith. Michael is a thought leader, spiritual teacher, and the founder of the Agape International Spiritual Center. His message has proved to be of abundant inspiration and empowerment to me personally, and I hope you will receive the same gift from this interview. 

This episode is about finding empowerment in times of despair and turmoil, opening your mind and heart to new paradigms, and how to step into a more elevated way of being. Michael is sharing his powerful insights on spiritual growth, societal change, and being an active participant in changing not only yourself but the world around you. Enjoy!

In this episode you’ll discover:

  • How spiritual principles are like gravity.
  • What the virus of the mind is.
  • The two different paradigms we’re caught between.
  • What fear does to your immune system.
  • Where solutions come from. 
  • How to transmute fear into excitement and enthusiasm.
  • What unfoldment is. 
  • How fear holds us back from creativity and innovation.
  • The difference between being a consumer and a creator. 
  • Why the US healthcare system is flawed.
  • How to increase your baseline of joy. 
  • The questions you should ask yourself when you feel stuck. 
  • What compassion really means. 



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Shawn Stevenson: Welcome to The Model Health Show, this is fitness and nutrition expert Shawn Stevenson and I'm so grateful for you tuning in with me today, I'm super excited about this episode. We're obviously experiencing a crazy time in human history, we're in the process of different phases of phases of lock-downs and with that said, we've also seen some very strange things happen in our society, in our communication and connection with each other, and this is something that I really wanted to address because, throughout our lifetime, I don't think any of us have ever seen a time when we've been so disconnected. There are micro examples of connections taking place because of the amazing capacity of social media and our technology. Like on Instagram, they'll have these battles going on between groups from like the '90s going up against another group from the '90s, playing their greatest hits. We have Nelly going against Ludacris, and they're playing all of their hits back-to-back-to-back.

And they get into the debate like we've got the best catalog, but everybody's just appreciating and getting a vibe together and joining up, but these are micro-examples. The macro example out in the actual world itself is very different. People are more disconnected than ever, people are walking down the street and going to the other side of the street to avoid getting even within, not even six feet isn't enough from the next person. We go to the grocery store and you do your very best to avoid even eye contact with another person and so many people are in fear. Now, that might not be you doing that, but you might have had examples where you've been in excessive fear, not even necessarily fear for yourself or maybe you're in fear that somebody's in fear of you. And you're carrying this around and none of this obviously is going to play out benefits as far as our human connection and just remaining a strain of our humanity. And so, I wanted to talk about that today, I want to talk about our disconnection. I wanted to bring on the very best person that I possibly could to talk about what are some of the solutions because I know that we're in the midst of a storm.


But there has got to be something better to come out of this, some kind of a way, and I don't think anybody could articulate it better than my guest that I have on today. And so, fortunately, I'm here at my place in Los Angeles and to even have access to this human being and to have him here in my place is just out of this world from my mind, from the person that I was even 10 years ago, to be able to see something like this, and I'm saying this because the first time I heard his voice, I was at my apartment, I was in college at the time, my college apartment, in Fergusson, Missouri and my wife got a DVD from my mother-in-law, it just always have an influence in my life. And we watched this DVD and this person jumped out so much in this documentary, there's many different people speaking, but he jumped out so much to me, it just seems like the things that he was saying, I always knew, but I never knew.

So I hope that makes sense, the things he was saying it's like, it seemed like a timeless truth that was already in my DNA, it's just, I never paid attention to it. And long story short, when we were living at this college apartment, my mattress was on the floor, I had pretty crumpled like I had the, I think it's Dell where... Is Dell still out there, but just like you got to buy different computer pieces whatever, put it together yourself. I was doing the cheapest possible way, just to even get online and do my school work, and just me having the computer, I had to go into debt to get a computer. Things were not, I was not flourishing on the financial side, and but, and it was also very close quarters. I lived in an apartment complex, there was a lot, in the area that I was in, there's liquor store right here, there's check-cashing place, there's all of this fast-food around, there's not any real access to anything that's healthy. A gym? Oh my, forget about it, there's not a gym within miles and miles and miles in any direction.

It just wasn't even part of... A yoga studio? No way, let alone, we can keep getting into... I didn't have access is my point. I didn't have a vision of what was possible bigger than what I was in, I knew that there was a potential for greatness in me, I felt that, thanks to in large part to my grandmother who just kind of instilled this feeling in me that I'm loved and that I matter, that matters so much for all of us and finding a way to do that for our kids and for other people, it can transform their lives. And so, I just wanted to plant that little seed as well, but I felt like there was something that I was destined to do, I didn't know quite what it was yet, but I was very passionate about helping people to get healthier, and I did... But again, for my life personally, I was still just struggling to get by, a lot of month left at the end of the money. And after hearing from him and gaining access to his tools, like, The Life Visioning Process program, for example, I started to understand that I can think bigger than my circumstances, right?

I can think bigger, because I was very much operating in the circumstances and doing the best that I could, and I was great at helping other people to take control of their health. But if it's always a struggle for me just to pay my bills, I'm going to be taking away energy from being of service, so I needed to get that part figured out. But growing up much the same way that many other people have in poverty, all I knew was struggle when it came to that thing, I turned my health around, which was an anomaly, but once I did that thing myself, I knew that it could be replicated. The financial part and just being able to have a place of certainty and security with that, I had no idea that that was even a thing.

And I started to script out my life, I started to envision something bigger in health and all areas of my life not just physically, but having great emotional, mental health, having great financial well-being, having great relationship richness and just knowing that all of these things are possible. But we often think we have to trade one in for the other. And so, it just really sent me on adventure to understand that I need to have nourishment in all these areas. And that's really one of the foundational pieces of why the Model Health Show exists is that health isn't just one thing. Health isn't just eating healthy food.

There're people who eat the most personalized body typed, blood typed DNA cultivated gene strip, whatever diet, who are struggling with a chronic illness because of all the stress in their life, because they're not dealing with their relationships. And this is a real thing. We've got actual hardcore science on this, and just how our beliefs literally create chemistry in our bodies. So, you're constantly thinking about, anger and disassociation from other people, and hatred, and discontent, and not enough and all these different things, you're creating chemistry in your body. And that chemistry, if we're talking about taking a pharmaceutical medication, for example, all this doing when you take that thing is your body is creating chemistry in response to the drug.

It's largely not the drug that does the thing, it's your body's response to the drug. And our bodies have this incredible capacity to create feelings, to create response based on the way that we think. And so knowing that and knowing that there's all these different levels of health and wellness, I wanted to bring all of that to you from the very best people in the world and also to create masterclasses myself, based on all of the incredible data that we have packaged up in a way that makes sense so we can be empowered. And that's what this episode is about today, it's about empowerment in a very strange time.

At a time that seems like it's just shrouded in uncertainty. And so, we're going to get to that very soon. But I also want to share this with you that obviously taking care of our nutrition is of paramount importance right now, especially for those who are carrying that fear, which is a very real fear is justifiable, but I want to help to bring that fear down because as we'll even talk about today, that fear response in the body suppresses your immune system. So, what are some simple clinically proven things that we can do to add to the fold to help to take care of our immune system?

Researchers at UC Davis recently published data affirming that spirulina is an effective immunomodulator, that means that it's an agent that is able to affect the behavior of your immune cells. Spirulina was also found to enhance the ability of macrophages that actually engulf and eat viruses and other pathogens like infectious bacteria and things like that. And spirulina was found to improve antibody responses and the activity of your natural killer cells. Natural killer cells are clinically proven to kill Coronavirus infected cells. It's one of the few things, this is one of the things we're looking at for kids. Why are kids apparently having such a high resistance to this particular viral infection, and what the data is pointing out is that they have much more active and intelligent developing natural killer cells.

Alright, so, really, really cool, but spirulina is one of those foods that by us consuming it can help our bodies to do these remarkable jobs. And so, for me, spirulina is one of the highlighted ingredients in the Organifi green juice. This is why my kids have it. This is why this is a big part of my protocol and my wife's protocol. Very simple, easy-to-do thing, but it's based on whole real food concentrate versus some synthetic form, if we're looking to get our vitamins and minerals as well. So, spirulina is in there, Ashwagandha is in there, which has clinical evidence in helping the body to balance and modulated stress. We've got chlorella in there, one of the highest sources of chlorophyll, if not the highest source of chlorophyll of any food, the list goes on and on, the ingredients are amazing, organic and curated from the best sources and it tastes amazing, on top of all that. So, pop over there and check them out, it's, it's and you're going to get 20% off, the green juice formula, the red juice formula and everything else that they carry. Alright, it's absolutely amazing and critical right now to make sure we're getting our nutrient basis covered. So, pop over there and check them out,, now let's get to the Apple Podcast review of the week.



iTunes Review: Another five-star review titled,” love you” by The Freedomeesta. “I just love you, I love how you always go back to your story, I love hearing about your grandma and your kids. I love that you reference movies all the time. I loved your episode on COVID and I feel the same about personal connection and getting out in the fresh air. I even turned my husband on to your podcast and he loves it too, so thank you for keeping it real and grounded, you are awesome.”

Shawn Stevenson: Awesome, thank you so much, you are awesome, and I appreciate that very much and thank you for acknowledging me and seeing that, it really does mean a lot. I appreciate it immensely and if you get to do so, please pop over to Apple Podcast and leave a review for the show. It means so very much. And with that said, let's go ahead and jump into our special guest and topic of the day. Today's guest is Dr. Bernard Beckwith who's a best-selling author and he's also the founder and spiritual director of the Agape International Spiritual Center, and I think that today this episode is really, really going to blow your mind and open your mind to a new paradigm and some very specific on-the-ground tactical, tangible things that we can do right now to help just kind of shift all of the stuff that's just and seeming like chaos right now. There is some order to be found and also, I think that there's some hidden gifts in all of this.

And again, I couldn't think of anybody else better to talk about the situation and talk about how to address our disconnection because we need each other right now and there's a lot of things going on in the world, obviously, people are physically disconnected from each other and also mentally and emotionally, but some of this stuff is being brought up to the surface. And another big part of having a healthy community is protecting our community, protecting our community from violence and violent offenses by having fear, fear of the unknown, fear of not understanding each other and not understanding people's position and not being able to have compassion. These are all vital tools right now, but it's going to be up to us to really cultivate and develop these things and to express them. And so without further ado, let's jump into this incredible conversation with Dr. Michael Beckwith. By the way, I noticed your necklace, I know it's a little bit different from what I saw.

Dr. Michael Beckwith: Yeah, this is the mala I got in India at the, what's it called? A festival, International Yoga Festival.

Shawn Stevenson: Was that the one Prince Ea was there?

Dr. Michael Beckwith: Yeah.

Shawn Stevenson: Yeah, that's my guy, he's from St. Louis too.

Dr. Michael Beckwith: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's good. He, like you, he said he studied my material and he turned a lot of people on to it. He said he would go to all these teachers to see who was really real and he just meticulously went through my books, he showed them all on his phone, and he says, "Yeah, I found that you were the real deal and you've influenced me, greatly." So it was a good meeting him there.

Shawn Stevenson:  Yeah, that's beautiful. And he actually came to an event that I was speaking at, that's where I met him, and I didn't know that he was on the cusp of like all of these amazing things that he was doing and I started to see him at the gym and he was doing all these weird videos. He'd have a mask at a different time of wearing masks but like a full like character mask on, it was like an older person and then they'd do something with the video to make it look like a real older face and just very creative, but that's the thing, he does the work, you know?

Dr. Michael Beckwith: Yeah, he's doing, he puts, he's putting some good messaging out there.

Shawn Stevenson: Yeah.

Dr. Michael Beckwith: For that demographic.

Shawn Stevenson: Absolutely.

Dr. Michael Beckwith: He's got millions of people tuning in to him.

Shawn Stevenson: Yeah, so cool to see him, like as you were mentioning as well, but just affirming and you being here at my home and us having this space, I didn't grew up in this kind of environment, I didn't grow up having space. I grew up, even when I got my first time having my own room literally I could only fit the bed in there, and I had to walk around the bed sideways. And before that, I always shared a room with my brother and sister. For a time me and my brother would sleep on the floor before my sister was born. And when I met my wife, who has just really been a game-changer for me personally, but I had this one-bedroom apartment, tiny. It was in Ferguson, Missouri, very volatile environment around me, but I commuted to the university every day and I was just focused on... I knew that I was going to graduate.

I didn't know what greatness was in store, but I knew I was going to do something great. And then we got connected to your work by my mother-in-law again, fortunately, and I listened to what you said. I listened to the principles and it just sounded so commonsensical. It just sounded like, yes, it sounded like I knew it already, but I never paid attention to it. And I took them and I started to apply those things and cut through not that there wasn't trials and tribulations, things that helped to evolve me, to get me here. But I'm here and my life is completely transformed by applying the things that I learned from you. You planted that seed, and I guess just kind of took care of it and made it grow.

Dr. Michael Beckwith: That's outstanding but you know you're a testimony to the fact that if people just do the work, it's not magical thinking, it's not magic. It's actually application of spiritual principles, and principles just like gravity works for everyone. It doesn't work for a few people. If everyone jumps off a roof they're going to hit the ground. The spiritual principles that you applied work for every single person. And so you went from no space to spaciousness, and you're touching so many people and bringing your tremendous gifts, changing lives. You are doing the same thing. You're passing it on, it's very powerful.

Shawn Stevenson: Yeah, thank you, thank you. One of the things also that you helped to affirm was through that transformation in my own life was through service. And I went just head over heels in how can I serve, and I literally took on that statement you said and I wake up, first thought, "How can I serve today?"

Dr. Michael Beckwith: How can I serve? One day I'm going to have at the front door of Agape, servant's entrance, that we just come in...

Shawn Stevenson: Wow, flip that.

Dr. Michael Beckwith: Yeah, where this is the service. Whereas before, the service entrance was like the back door, and we had a pejorative meaning to it. I'm going to change it to no, we've all showed up to serve, to serve the higher power, to serve our great destiny, to serve the potential that's within us and there's change, that flip that whole thing up. Yeah.

Shawn Stevenson: Yeah, I would imagine, it's obviously much more challenging in a sense to be focused on service when there's so much turbulence going on around us. It's going to be a little bit more challenging I believe to be more positive and to keep our minds focused on what's real. First of all, what's going on right now? For real, we'll talk. This is crazy. It's crazy what's happening around us. What, from your perspective, what's happening, what's going on? 

Dr. Michael Beckwith: There are so many levels to what's happening, from the very practical fear that's gripped people's minds. That's the virus of the mind, first of all, is fear, and fear diminishes your perspective, blocks your perception, inhibits wisdom, guidance, and direction. So the world has taken a nightmare pill where they're living in the vibration of a worst-case scenario and all the things that come with that. From the higher perspective, we're in a deep cleansing. The Earth itself is vibrating at a much higher octave. The Earth is alive when you look at it from the shamanic mystical vibration domain, the Earth is alive and vibrating high, which means that everything at a lower frequency is being cleansed out. From the scientific point of view, they can measure the vibration of the Earth and it's definitely increased over the last 30 years. So from the science and from the mystical shamanic, frequency has raised, which means that we're in a great clearing right now. You can see when you look out on the world events, things that would have taken years for us to discover, we now find out the next day. Politicians would tell a lie you wouldn't know that for five years, they got away with it. Today you can see them lying right in front of you. You know they're telling a lie, so things are much more transparent.



So right now we're in a situation where you're looking at the death of an old paradigm, and the birth of the new, but the old paradigm is very loud and trying to hold on. And the new, you have little buds that are new springing up, but they're not as loud as the old. And so I always like to say that those who are waking up and are embracing a higher order of being, love, compassion, generosity, service, there's no superiority or inferiority around humanity. We're all sourced from the same source. People who are awaken to that, I like to say that we are the reporters of the new paradigm that's yet to be, and the other individuals are reporters of the status quo and that which is dying. So when you turn on the news and you look at the reporters telling you something, they actually are reporting from a status quo, an old paradigm. And it inundates people's minds. People actually believe what they're looking at, even though they forget that we live in one of the most censored countries in the world. And you're only going to get what powers that be want you to see. So we ask what's going on, there's a lot of flux, a lot of turbulence. Everything is up racism, white superiority, hate, all of that. So we have to thank 45 for allowing that to be more transparent.



He accidentally opened up the curtain to see what has been, what we've known in fomenting for years, we know about the racism, we know about the hatred of the color of our skin, we know about it. But he's opened up the window so everybody is seeing it. And saying, "Wow this is still going on, this is real." So what looks bad, and it is terrible. Death. Mayhem, police brutality, politicizing of COVID-19, making a political football rather than dealing with some serious science behind it. It's all a part of an old paradigm, trying to hold on. And the first thing that has to happen, is individuals have to know how to handle fear. They have to know how to navigate with that, they have to know how to not allow it to run them. And that's a lot of the work that I have an opportunity to do is what you're doing. The average person is scared. And what happens when you're afraid, your immune system diminishes. Your immune system diminishes, you catch the common cold, you catch the flu, you catch whatever is out there and it becomes more debilitating than it would be if you weren't afraid.


Shawn Stevenson: Yeah. This is just on commonsensical stuff. Yeah. I actually marvel on a daily basis at how little we know.

Dr. Michael Beckwith: Totally practical.

Shawn Stevenson: Yeah. I actually marvel on a daily basis at how little we know.

Dr. Michael Beckwith: Yeah.

Shawn Stevenson: And I'm very much interested right now in exploring the cosmos, from our little perspective that we can see, and the fact that we have billions of galaxies. We're one galaxy. Billions of galaxies and we get so caught up in this minutia. We're afraid of the smallest thing, and there's so much that's so much grander than this, and we forget how powerful we are. At the same time, this is a beautiful poetry, that's always existing because if you take that macro perspective, and my son Brayden actually said this, he was like, "To another galaxy, we're like an ant of an ant of an ant of an ant." We don't really matter, but we do it at the same time. But it's just like I use that perspective all the time, to just see how big is this problem really from the grand perspective and then I can actually look at this from a more compassionate perspective and see what can I actually change? Because you've taught me this as well, that we do affect what's around us.

Dr. Michael Beckwith: Absolutely, I think what you're saying is very important. We can ask ourselves, "Am I going to be concerned about this five years from now?" What I'm dealing with, whatever it is, and then we say, "It's probably not going to be that important." Sometimes what I ask people to do is to take out a newspaper, read it from front to back, put it away, and then pick it up six months later and read it. And you'll see all the things that was the top headlines and everybody was concerned about this and... Has generally faded, and something else is taking its place. And what has taken his place is another fear-based way of looking at life. So we have to understand that these things do pass. Now the way that you're describing this is, there's the universal perspective, millions of galaxies, multi-dimensional universes, the cosmos always expanding, the eternal presence that we're living in. That's timeless. And then there's time. And so our role is to bring the timeless into time. Meaning creativity, innovativeness, resourcefulness, poetry, generosity, that's... Those are timeless. That means you've gone to a space outside of time and you've brought something in the time. That's what a soulful artist does.



They bring something into time. So most people lose their perspective and they live primarily from fight-or-flight. They're trying to save their life, they're into the survival frequency, they lose their perspective of the cosmos, of their connection to the timeless. So this is what spiritual practice is all about. It's not about magical thinking, wishing that something wasn't happening, or burying your head in the ground and pretending that a bad thing did not happen. It is about understanding that in this universal perspective, there aren't any problems, they're only ideas and solutions and spiritual prototypes, and we have to go there and get them and bring them here. This a solution for everything. There cannot be a problem and not be a solution. That's an impossibility but you don't get to the solution from fear or being time blinded. The solution comes from your expanded awareness. So again, you don't pretend something negative is not happening. Things, there's some destruction going on, there's some hate happening.

There's police brutality happening. Our brother just got kneed on and got killed. That individual is soulless, he had no... The individual that killed and murdered him in plain daylight, plain sight, had no feeling for another human being that he was holding down. That kind of thought is still alive and the narrative behind the thought that a person with darker skin is less than that narrative still exist. And so we're here to change that narrative and to act on every single level to change that narrative from the cosmos all the way to grassroot action. From a perspective of holding a vision of what's possible. And that's kind of our role right now.

Shawn Stevenson: Yeah. Yeah, thank you for that. And we all have the capacity to do that.

Dr. Michael Beckwith: Yeah.

Shawn Stevenson: And I would like for you to if you could, because like you said, fear is the most contagious thing right now. And my mission from the beginning of this shift that's happening, with COVID spreading, was just this premise that I live by is that we fear what we don't understand.

Dr. Michael Beckwith: Right.

Shawn Stevenson: Right? So how can I help people to get educated about how viruses work, how their immune system works, and it's been wonderful, the feedback from the community...

Dr. Michael Beckwith: You've done a good job on that too, by the way.

Shawn Stevenson: Thank you. Thank you so much. And so that's one part of it though, but I know that there's more. Like you said, there's many solutions. So and understanding that many people are even if they don't realize it, likely debilitated by fear right now. If they're not taking action in their lives, they're not seeing a higher vision, if they're not seeing the opportunity and what can be done, what can we do to turn that fear around and find a way to bring the greater gifts that you were talking about into your world? 

Dr. Michael Beckwith: Right. Well, first of all, we have to understand that fear is an energy, it's energetic. And energy as you know is never created or destroyed, it just transmutes itself. It becomes a higher or lower frequency. So when you begin, I'll cover this in a couple of levels. So fear can be transmuted to excitement, and excitement can be transmuted to enthusiasm if you walk in the direction of being your better self, walk in the direction of a goal, walk in the direction of some kind of accomplishment, walk in the direction of some kind of service. You can transmute fear. I don't teach people, "Well, in order to do something, you got to get rid of your fear." That's never going to happen. What you do is you become aware, "Okay, I'm afraid. And we're all human. Okay, there's fear here. Okay, now I'm going to walk in the direction of my good so that the fear then becomes excitement. I'm excited now." Then excitement becomes enthusiasm, enthusiasm means in God, in Theos, in the presence. So we have to do that on three levels. There's the physical level. You teach a lot about this. What is your nutrition? What is your sleep pattern? What is your exercise? You can control that. You can control what goes in your body. Are you doing a lot of sugar? Are you doing a lot of processed foods? Blah, blah, blah. So on the physical level, nutrition, exercise, sleep, we talked earlier about taking a break from our devices. What did you call it? 




Shawn Stevenson: Screen curfew.

Dr. Michael Beckwith: Screen curfew. Have some screen curfew time in which you pull away from that. That affects you physically.

Shawn Stevenson: Yeah.

Dr. Michael Beckwith: Then there's a mentally. What is your inner conversation like? You got to catch yourself when you're going down a track of worry. Worry is emotionally rehearsing the very things you don't want to experience. You're rehearsing it, "Oh, I hope this doesn't happen. Oh my God, I hope this doesn't happen. What are we going to do when this happens?" Now you're rehearsing, your body doesn't know the difference between whether it's happened or hasn't happened. It's just going to give you the cascade of chemicals that match what you're emotionally rehearsing. So mentally, we have to take dominion over our thinking. Have to be aware of those thoughts and begin to say other things to ourselves. "It's going to be okay, I'm going to make it through this. I'm going to grow through this, I'm going to become a better individual because of this." You can begin to create your own self-talk so that mentally you're not picking up what's in the news, you're not allowing someone else's agenda to get into your mind. It doesn't mean you're not prudent, it doesn't mean you're not careful, it doesn't mean you don't take care of yourself. Physically, you're washing your hands, you're showering. You're taking care of yourself, yes, but mentally you're starting to talk to yourself differently.



"I'm going to be okay, I'm going to be okay." You can just start with that. And then spiritually, we become aware. This is not religion. It is not religious. Spiritually, we open ourselves up to the fact that there's something about us, that's eternal, that's forever. And this is when real prayer comes in. I'm not talk about begging a God, a magical God out there. I'm talking about really communing with the presence and having an inner realization that what you're praying for you already have it. And then there's meditation in which you are communing with the eternal. This breathwork, there's other spiritual technologies, your yogic practice, your other spiritual technologies that bring you into an awareness of your spiritual nature. So now you have your spiritual nature, guiding your mental nature, guiding your physical nature. So now you're walking in the direction of your unfolding. And what does that mean? It means that change is always happening, but we can participate in our own unfolding. We don't have to fall prey to the world of phenomena and all the things that are going on. I'm aware, I know this for certain, this is not like conjecture. I know that everyone has a great destiny, I know that everyone has something beautiful within them. Just like every rose seed has a rose bush. It's in there already. So that's called unfoldment. When that seed is planted in the proper soil, it unfolds and reveals what's already in there.




There's something within us. We want to participate in its unfolding. So if I'm walking in the direction of my own unfolding, then my fear becomes excitement. Woo. I don't even know what it's going to be. I don't have any idea what's here, but I'm walking in that direction, I become excited. And then when I make contact, I become enthused. You see. Where is fear? It's been transmuted, it's been transmuted. Now, as I said earlier, the world has taken a nightmare pill. They're in deep fear and there are certain powers that be that want you in fear. They can't control you if you're not in fear. They can't control you if you're not in fear. If you're not in fear, creativity happens. Innovativeness happens, resourcefulness happens, spontaneous goodness happens, new inventions happen, new ideas burst into the scene, we create our own renaissance. That cannot happen if people are in fear. Right now people are in a matrix of slavery. We actually pay for electricity and electricity is free.

We actually believe we have to pay for that. That's called slavery but powers that be, have people believe it. I got to pay for this electricity because one day, it's going to run out. How's that? You could have devices that give you free electricity. People are enslaved to fossil fuels. They actually believe they need it. They don't need it. There's a new something trying to emerge. However, the status quo keeps you in the matrix of fear so that, you become enslaved to being a consumer rather than a creator. People actually believe they're born to go shop, rather than born to actually deliver gifts and talents and capacities and music and dance and great architecture and great books and great ways of being with each other, in love and compassion and generosity. People are the slave, they don't even know it.

Shawn Stevenson: Yeah. Man, this might be a tough pill to swallow and we talked about this. You didn't realize because you haven't been watching the news that there is a death toll ticker going on television, which again, it's okay to be aware but to have this running like these aren't even people anymore.

Dr. Michael Beckwith: Right, statistics.

Shawn Stevenson: It becomes statistics and statistically scary just because the number is growing and we don't have the reverse. We don't have the good news report. We don't have, how many people are okay. Guess what? Another person's okay. That would literally transform humanity just to stay up-to-date with all the wonderful things that are happening, not to say again that there are problems.

Dr. Michael Beckwith: Yeah, and we definitely have compassion for people who've lost their loved ones whether it's been in a car accident or whether it's been through Coronavirus or whether it's been through suicide or whether it's been through old age, tremendous compassion for the people who've lost loved ones. Absolutely. However, like you said, what if a ticker was up there that said this person just had a remission, another remission, another healing of diabetes. Oh my God, this person healed of cancer. What would happen to the mindset of people? We would begin to believe that certain things are possible, rather than walking in a certain dread. And right now, we're the reporters of that paradigm. Whereas the reporters of the old paradigm are giving you a death ticker. So, people are going to sleep hoping that they wake up in the morning or their parents wake up or they're, again, what is it doing? Eliciting fear. I don't want to be one of those statistics, you see. But what if we reversed it? So many births happened today. This is how many people did something great. The whole mindset will change. The whole mindset will change.



Shawn Stevenson: I'm really picking up from you today. Fear is really driven by perspective in a big way. And one of the things we just shared on a recent episode because what I do is when an entity that people are listening to puts out information, I go and I look at the information in-depth and I go and look at, "Okay. Well, what do they say about this thing, and what do you say about that thing?" And then, you start to put together a more complete picture and it's right there. The WHO is the big governing body a lot of people are getting their news from. They're censoring things. If it does, isn't in accordance to the WHO.

Dr. Michael Beckwith: That's a problem right there.

Shawn Stevenson: Now, the craziest thing about this entire situation, if people really get this, it's a game-changer, it's a shift in your fear. The WHO themselves has said that upwards of 650,000 people die every year from influenza.

Dr. Michael Beckwith: Right.

Shawn Stevenson: COVID isn't even on track to beat that right. Now with that said and this is, I'm not getting into comparison between this and that. This is a new virus. It's very infectious. But my point being is that number one, this should help to reduce the fear a little bit but more so, let's look at why have we not been upset that we're losing 650,000 souls every year, 98% of them approximately having a chronic disease which many of them are preventable. Why are we not taking care of our loved ones, that we pushed to the side, that we're not connecting with anymore? Why are we not getting together community and eating together and exercising together and having classes together and learning together, all the things that can help to prevent these losses of lives? But now, everybody's upset to the degree that they are in fear and treating everybody even worse.

Dr. Michael Beckwith: Right. It's the first time you've had a quarantine of healthy people. This never happened. People quarantining you because they're healthy so you don't get sick. It's never happened in history but that perspective is driving the fear absolutely.

Shawn Stevenson: It's called Shelter-in-Place.

Dr. Michael Beckwith: Shelter-in-Place. And people also are unaware that, according to the AMA, you have 200,000 or 300,000 deaths from people going to the hospital and getting pharmaceuticals that killed them or, botched surgeries, things of that particular nature, 300,000 people. I mean, that's way bigger than 9/11. Every single people in here, but we don't see the armed guards out there saying, "Don't go to the hospital."

Shawn Stevenson: Right. It's perspective.

Dr. Michael Beckwith: It's all perspective.

Shawn Stevenson: I was in publishing Johns Hopkins. Very prestigious, iatrogenesis, third leading cause of death, right below, heart disease and cancer is death by physicians.

Dr. Michael Beckwith: Right. Now, you never see thousands of people dying from overdose of vitamin C, overdose of vitamin D.

Shawn Stevenson: That too much. Too much C.

Dr. Michael Beckwith: They did too much yoga. He died of too much meditation. 

Shawn Stevenson: Never hear that. Never hear that.

Dr. Michael Beckwith: You don't hear that.

Shawn Stevenson: And there's so many wonderful health practitioners out there, wonderful physicians, many of them listening to this show who are doing great work. We're looking at these things and they understand one of the biggest principles, of course, is to do no harm. And we're looking at this in the opposite way right now, unfortunately. And so, our system is set up in such a way that is wonderful for emergency medicine, wonderful, if somebody's at car accidents, gunshot wound, transplant, wonderful, blood transplant. But for chronic illnesses we suck. I'm talking about terrible. It's astronomically terrible. It just continues to rise. As the decades have going down, as we become more evolved and more technologically savvy, those things just continue to climb. We haven't even figured out how to get rid of the flu, but we're waiting on a vaccine for COVID. How's the flu vaccine worked out? This is just basic things to think about.

Dr. Michael Beckwith: But you're dealing with... First of all, we don't have a healthcare system, we have a sick care system that deal with symptoms. They take care of the symptoms with certain either surgery or pharmaceuticals for the most part, but there's no real study on when people have a remission. Somebody has diabetes, they heal it. Somebody has cancer, they heal it. There's no real study on what were the conditions for that healing that that person does not have diabetes anymore, that person does not have cancer anymore. What were the conditions? No, no, they just move on to, "Well, here are the people who have cancer, here are the protocols, here's your radiation, here's your chemo, here's this, here's that," but there's no real medical model looking at what are the conditions for these individuals healing.

That's why I say we have a sick care system, not a healthcare system. And our healthcare system is not even as good as some of the other western industrial countries, whether it's Canada or Great Britain. In America, we're behind the... We're behind a little bit. But it goes back to what? Pretty much greed and profit. It's a system based on greed and profit, not based on Hippocratic Oath, which is, "Do no harm." And I think the doctors are well-meaning, but they're trained in a certain way. They're trained. They know more about a pharmaceutical than they know about nutrition. How can you go through medical school and not know about nutrition? But you know more about a pill. It's not...

Shawn Stevenson: Yeah. It's like, "It doesn't matter what you put in your mouth, but here, put these pills in your mouth." It's just, it's mind-boggling, really. And this is why I love doing this work is that again, I asked the questions, it was just like, "So okay, where does this medication come from?" So I'll go and actually find out where did this Lisinopril come from? And it comes from something in nature, but it's isolated. They isolate something. This is actually from snake venom, which is crazy to consider. You got something that's coming from a snake venom, which is supposed to be poisonous, but just like so many different things, there's a healing factor in a lot of things. But we've got Lisinopril, we've got Metformin. A lot of medications are actually based on mushrooms. 30% of the pharmaceutical drugs, they're based on some kind of fungi, should I say, not mushroom, specifically. And so nature has a lot of this stuff. But again, it's just how you're taught.

Dr. Michael Beckwith: Yeah. It's how you taught. Aspirin came from a tree in Africa. But when you buy aspirin, it doesn't have all the same powerful ingredients that you get if you get it direct, it can actually harm you, over a period of time. But you can't patent a lot of these things from Mother Nature, so it has to be synthesized in a way that could become chemicalized and then can be sold, and then we put a profit on it. So the system itself generates greed and a sense of objectifying us as commodities to extract money from, rather than human beings that we're called to have compassion and heal. And so we're in the midst, and you talk about turbulence, I think we're in the midst of a great change. I really think that a lot of people are waking up and starting to question. You're talking here. A lot of people are asking questions that they've never asked before, whereas people used to just walk lockstep and just follow government and follow medical establishment. People are asking questions now. And I think we're in the midst, we're in the midst of a great change. Even though the negative precedes the birth of something new, we're in the middle of it right now.



Shawn Stevenson: Yeah. I think you had the analogy of the chicken and the egg, and I think that that was very poignant for this time because I've had this statement run through my mind many times over the years, and I'll try and push it away. And I've said it to my wife many times that I think that this is going to get worse before it gets better. And I've seen that play out, especially when you're changing a paradigm when you're moving to another level, it's just like this old thing has to be taken care of. And it will really hang on. Like McDonald's market share just started to tank once folks like Vani Hari, the Food Babe, who we've had on the show, who've gotten out, helped to change some... Even working with legislators and things like that. Well, McDonald's was like, "We're not going out like that. We got kale shakes now."

Dr. Michael Beckwith: And salads.

Shawn Stevenson: Right, we got salads, salads to go. We got the shaker salads or whatever. Just like, "We got some kale in here." They're adapting, but it's just what is the heart of this entity? Where's the heart at? And the thing is, for me, I got to place also where I do appreciate the change because sometimes change is going to come from entities that might have been what we might consider a little bit on the dark side.

Dr. Michael Beckwith: Yeah. I don't mind people making profit, but you can transition into having a business that's profitable, but that's also doing good work. It's also embracing something that's non-polluting, not tearing up the earth, not killing the ozone, not tearing up the rainforest, not polluting the oceans. You can have great thriving business that's in concert and in alignment with the fundamental principles of reality and the earth, absolutely. So I don't mind them changing. I don't mind if the car industry starts slowly moving towards hybrids and electric cars. We want to move towards a non-polluting environment. I don't care if they make money doing that. But this changed the paradigm. The thing about it is nothing changes unless individuals actually re-enchant their imagination about the possibility. Call it naïve if you want, but every great change has come through people who have imagined something different and said, "I wonder if this is possible." And they may have been thought crazy at the time.

Shawn Stevenson: Yeah.

Dr. Michael Beckwith: But eventually, that re-enchantment of the imagination leads to thought, leads to inspiration, leads to action, leads to change. And so, right now, you have groups of people that are just stymied by fear, their imagination has been hijacked into, "Well, I got to save my body, I'm afraid of being dead. I'm afraid of being annihilated." And their imagination is not with, "What kind of person do I want to be? Where do I want to grow? Five years from now, who do I want to be? What gifts have I... Do I want to give before I leave this planet?" We have to bring people to a higher order of questioning rather than being caught in the fear that they're in right now.

Shawn Stevenson: I want to do something really practical for folks and the nuclear families that were suddenly that construct is very different now for many people. I'm a second-grade teacher, part-time now with my eight-year-old son. I never signed up for it but this is at home, I had to step into. So, I'm going to... I want to ask your opinion about that and what some of us can do to help us to adjust to the changes that we've had within our own families. We're going to do that right after this quick break, so sit tight, we'll be right back.

I was just riding in the car with my family. It was my wife and my two sons. Jorden who's 19, and my youngest son, Brayden, who is eight. And Jordan was talking about how in his last year of high school, he was getting that coffee hitter. I had no idea that from time to time, he would pick up a little bit of that crackbucks, a little Starbucks. And he was just like... Because he's not really one of those people that likes coffee necessarily, but he was just like, "Some days, dad, you get up and you're just like, "Well, not today," but then you have that coffee-like, "Today. Today is the day." And it's so funny because when I was in high school, I never saw anybody drink coffee, but before Jorden got his first car, I dropped him off at school every day and I would see the students just walking in, holding their crackbucks cups. It's just like it's being bred into our culture at younger and younger ages, but the reality is, cultures throughout the world have been enjoying and utilizing coffee for centuries.

And in childhood, and it's only recently that this mass production, mass quantity, lower quality has become so pervasive. And so now, not only are you getting the conventional coffee, but you're also getting a lot of toxicity along with it, the mold, the pesticides, the herbicides. And this is creating an atmosphere where the benefits, the potential benefits of coffee are now going down. And people are just going to it because it's a source of caffeine or it's a source of sugar. Because a lot of people don't even truly enjoy coffee, they love the stuff that's in it. The sugar and the cream and those things. But for me, and what I've been really directing people the last few years, 'cause I was just not a fan of coffee, is, "Let's get coffee but let's upgrade it tremendously by utilizing some of these powerful medicinal mushrooms along with the coffee." And I do that through Four Sigmatic and their incredible mushroom formulas, their mushroom coffee. Now, when people hear about mushroom coffee, medicinal mushrooms, they might come with, "Well, what kind of mushrooms are those?" I'm not talking about psychedelic mushrooms. I'm not talking about culinary mushrooms. I'm talking about the category of medicinal mushrooms. But these mushrooms have been utilized, again, literally for centuries. And this one in particular has documentation from over 2000 years ago, with cordyceps.




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Hi, we're back and we're talking with Reverend Dr. Michael Beckwith. And before the break, I was alluding to something that we're, for the most part, all of us are experiencing on one level or another. Some folks are isolated, they haven't seen their family for a while, where they do the drive-by wave. I've seen many drive-by parties take place recently, or some folks are... They're sheltered in place with their nuclear family, their kids, or the spouse, and/or spouse, maybe the dog is getting on your nerves right now. "I didn't like your bark. I used to like your bark was cute", but you're just tired of it. So knowing that our constructs are different, what are some of the things that we can start to do so that we can love each other more because, you probably are aware of this, but relationships, divorces, problems in marriages right now, they're starting to edge into a higher place.

Dr. Michael Beckwith: Yeah, things have become more intensified. Now, before I answer your question, I saw something on Instagram, like a joke. And it had this guy being interviewed, and he was saying, "If you have to be quarantined with your spouse and your kids. No, if you have to be quarantined, A, would you be your spouse and kids, or... A, 'cause it. Before you can get to the next point, you can get the Bs, there's A. No, I don't... No, he said, "B." No, he said B. He said, "B." Before he even knew what B was which deals with the intensity that you're talking about. So the first thing you talked about was the drive-by. And so, I think that individuals at that level are beginning to come to an understanding not take things for granted. Your ability to see your mom or your friend, you can't see them right now. And there was a time where people may have taken that for granted. "I'll go by just check on mom later," or, "I'll go see dad next week, he'll be there."

Shawn Stevenson: Yeah.

Dr. Michael Beckwith: And now they realize, "No, they may not... We may not be able to see them." So I think people are growing in a level of not taking things for granted. In our reaching out more, they're doing not only drive-bys, they're texting each other, they're calling each other. How you doing, checking in. So that's a growth in compassion and a level of intimacy. Now, when it becomes to tight quarters, generally, people think they're mad at the other person, but they're actually mad at an assumption they have in their mind about what they think that the other person should be doing. And so they're actually...

Shawn Stevenson: I just looked over at my wife.

Dr. Michael Beckwith: I know. They're mad at their own... They had their own assumptions and they're bumping up against their own assumptions and projecting it on to the other person. So we have to take responsibility for what our own assumptions are about what we think somebody else should be or what they should be doing at this time. And we have to own that and then we have a level of patience. And instead of living in what should or shouldn't be, we have to deal with what is. I'm not in a good mood, not in a good mood. Don't put that on anybody. You're feeling tired and caged in? You're feeling tired and caged in, own that. But don't put that on somebody else because you're feeling tired and caged in. Somebody's done something you don't like, you assume they were going to do something different, own that energy.

This is subtle stuff, but if people began to just practice accepting what is rather than what they want it to be, their joy, their baseline of joy would be higher. There would be a greater spaciousness and a greater compassion and then a greater ability to dialogue, they have conversation. And you know what? It's not, there's nothing wrong with, "I need a moment." There's nothing wrong with that. There's nothing wrong with, "I'm going to another room. I want to be by myself." If people gave people that opportunity, "I just want to hang out by myself right now." Then I think that the intensity that people get into. 'Cause when the people get into intensity, they're trying to get that other person to fit their assumption of reality that they're holding. And you should not. No, no, no, no, no, no.

Shawn Stevenson: That's a core truth right there because...

Dr. Michael Beckwith: Yeah.

Shawn Stevenson: And I've seen this, what we tend to do when we're upset with our significant other to really just break it down to its bare minimum is they're not doing the thing that you want them to do.

Dr. Michael Beckwith: Right.

Shawn Stevenson: Right? And the crazy thing is we get mad about that, but that's the nature of humanity. You can walk in somebody else's shoes, people are always going to do stuff you don't want them to do.

Dr. Michael Beckwith: Absolutely.

Shawn Stevenson: And life will be boring.

Dr. Michael Beckwith: Right.

Shawn Stevenson: It just brings some variety and spice of life. So I started to look at the things that my wife would do that I didn't necessarily want it to do is like, "Oh, that's cute." I did change it. I did change that energy and think about it differently.

Dr. Michael Beckwith: That's interesting.

Shawn Stevenson: But it's just really... I took away from that because it's really us, but it's a healthy version of, "It's not you, it's me."

Dr. Michael Beckwith: Yeah.

Shawn Stevenson: It's not the break-up version. It's the healthy relationship version.

Dr. Michael Beckwith: Right. And see what happens is, if we ratchet it back from this, "I get mad at you," I ratchet that back to, "My mind is just mad," to goes back to, "Why is my mind mad? My mind doesn't have to be mad." I can actually take responsibility to look at those thoughts and not send them out anywhere. So I'm not mad at you." First, I go back to, "I'm just mad." And then, what is that thought that's driving that mad?" This is all part of introspection that we'll have a lot of time for. People have a lot of time, particularly, if they take the curfew to just look at their own mind, just look at it. Where are those thoughts coming from? Are they my thoughts? Did I inherit those thoughts from the previous relationship, from growing up? Do I have to keep them? No, I don't. I can choose a higher thought. I could actually do that. I actually have dominion and actually choose a higher thought, expand my awareness. And so, I think that the benefit, if we can say that, the Corona bonus is that people could actually use this time to do a great reset to have their own awareness.


Shawn Stevenson: Yeah it's powerful, so powerful. So I reached out to you a couple of weeks ago, I sent you a voice memo and I just shared something that I only shared with my wife because I found myself thinking thoughts and saying things out loud that I don't normally say, and it takes a lot for me to feel the way that I was feeling and the word, and I'll share it here what I expressed is that I was feeling a sense of disappointment. I was feeling very disappointed in humanity, in the way that we were responding. I was feeling very disappointed in the so-called leaders, the people who monetized their platforms and always sharing this and that, but not really stepping up, and speaking truth, and doing their homework, and finding a way to help. They continued on their little, "Get my vitamin," or whatever the case might be. And so I was just feeling this sense of disappointment which I just... It was so... It made me feel so off-center. And I listened to one of your messages, something you guys have posted on one of your platforms, and it just got me like I woke up, I remembered, oh, let me ask a different question. Let me see what this is really about because I was so in it.



Dr. Michael Beckwith: Right.

Shawn Stevenson: So can you talk a little bit about that when you're so in it, how do you get from being in it in the muck, in the dirt to being able to ask that empowering question? 

Dr. Michael Beckwith: Right. That's called the quantum leap, where you go from one level to another without a ladder. And so, one of the ways of doing that is being able to ask a question. One question if a person is in a really dark space, 'cause there's depression going on now, too. There's people that are having some very hard times. So you ask a question such as whatever this thing is, whatever the person thinks is causing the depression or causing the dark thing. If that were to last forever, what quality would I have to grow in order to have peace of mind? If you ask that question, the mind will go on a hunt. What quality would I have to grow? Oh, is it kindness? Is it patience? Is it forgiveness? The mind will go on a hunt, and eventually, you'll find what you need, "Oh God, I need to be more forgiving."

Then what happens is, the mind will start going towards forgiveness, I'm just using this as an example, and then the condition will recede in significance and then forgiveness will open a window for you to see life differently. The perspective will change. So the question is, if this... Whatever this thing is, would it last forever, what quality would I have to grow in order to have peace of mind? The mind goes on a hunt. So it's one way of doing it. The other thing that you did was you began to ask a different question, you get to ask a different kind of question. Now here's the deal, universal principle says that the universal presence through the laws will answer any question that you ask. That's a principle.

Now, most people will ask, "What's wrong? Who's to blame? How did this happen? Why me?" Those are disempowering questions. They don't take you anywhere but into a downward spiral. What's wrong? You start to get into what's wrong, and this is wrong, and this is wrong. Who's to blame? "Oh, they're to blame. They did this." "Why me? How did this happen?" But if you ask another question, "What is the meaning of this for me?" You could ask, what is the meaning? For instance, sometimes when I have to do a memorial service, did one recently and I'll say, instead of asking what is the meaning of this person dying so young or... I would say, ask this question, "How can I give my life meaning based on knowing this person? How can I give my life meaning that changes the energy?" Oh, this person was very gregarious. He's very loving, very forgiving.

Oh, I can give my life meaning by taking some of those qualities and keeping him alive in my heart as I go on to life. So we can ask, "What is the meaning of this? How can I grow? How can I become more myself?" Which if you ask that question, the universe is going to answer it. It's going to be subtle, or it's going to be a book may fall off a shelf, or somebody... You'll pick, you'll hear a CD or something. It's, oh, the universe will answer it, but we have to be sincere in our asking. We have to really stop asking disempowering questions. They're called life's futile questions, "What's wrong? Who's to blame? Why me?" Those are futile questions. They have no answers to them. But if we ask a higher question, you start to retch it out now. Now, it doesn't mean that condition changes immediately, but as you said earlier your perspective changes.

Shawn Stevenson: Yeah.

Dr. Michael Beckwith: And then answers, guidance, intuitive hits, direct knowing, creativity, innovativeness starts to happen regarding the condition. You end up being a changed person, and then what do you do? Years later, you look back and you say, "That was the best thing that have happened to me. That negative thing, whatever it was that I hated, I look back at it now, It's grown me into this being."

Shawn Stevenson: Yeah, so powerful. The last thing I want to ask you about, of course, there's many other things I want to talk about, but I think that this is very timely and important right now. My mission is we never really necessarily... I can't personally save someone's life. It's a choice from within. And, of course, there's a situation...

Dr. Michael Beckwith: Somebody's drowning.

Shawn Stevenson: Movie scenario. Right, I got you. I dive in and do my merman thing and save somebody, but outside of that, it's a decision. And right now, we're in the midst of a really frightening time for the ramifications of how our society has shut down. And what we're looking at now is being labeled as these deaths of despair and if you look at some of the data coming out from public health officials in Australia, they're looking at potentially 10 times more death from suicide than COVID.

Dr. Michael Beckwith: Right.

Shawn Stevenson: Then we're seeing the potential from here same thing, not just suicide because people think unemployment and they just connect that one thing. It's also about a 50% increased risk of heart attacks. Homicide goes up. Jail goes up. There's so many other conditions and we're looking at potentially and if it unfolds the way that it's going right now, this is going to be several million a million lives lost. I think, I just want to do something about it, I want to do the very best that I can to help to curve that. It's not already done. So is there anything that we can do as far as if you could speak to people, that are having a hard time, or also what can we do to help transition this movement and change the direction personally if we are in a good place, but we want to change this narrative? 
Dr. Michael Beckwith:      Right. Again, it's two, at least two levels. Anybody who is suffering, you know of course we want to embrace beings with compassion. People are suffering, they have lost their jobs, they've lost friends and family and we want to again, help them think about something differently. We want to begin to help them have an awareness that... It's called Hope. I was talking about this with somebody yesterday, it starts with hope, it's a little bit of hope that things can be better, and then hope opens it's way up to faith. Faith is you start to believe something, you can't even see it. And then faith then births conviction. I know, I know it's going to be better. I know it's okay.




So people that are hopeless, we want to give them a little hope. We want to show them scenarios or people who are in the same situation, they were in but there were answers. There were ways of changing. Ways of embracing a higher order of their own being. So again we can't be callous. There's suffering going on. Where we're concerned we cannot go into the vibration of that suffering that doesn't help. Compassion, you know there's sympathy which means, "I'm feeling exactly what you're feeling." We don't want to be sympathetic. We don't want to be empathetic, which is, "I’ll feel for you." We want to be compassionate which means, "I'm not going to go into the ditch with you, but I'm going to ask this question, how can I serve you?" You know, so that's what compassion says. "How can I serve you, not how I can feel what you're feeling?"

There are some people who are empaths they just feel it anyway, but how can I serve. So I think if we all ask, "How can I serve," we'll get an answer. That's one universal and two individual. Somebody may serve by going to the soup kitchen and serving meals. Somebody may serve by making a tremendous or as much as they can donation to suicide prevention, or to work in the suicide hotline funding that. So if I ask, how can I serve, I'm going to be given a unique prescription for me. This is how I can serve. And then we must be aware of this, that everything is in flux right now. The whole world, nothing is normal, nothing as it was, which means this is a time for great change.

But we have to be the architect of that change, not the old paradigm. We have to do it. So we have to be empowered to have new vision, new dreams. We have to begin to describe the world we want to live in. We have to describe it. Right now we can describe what we don't want, more than what we do want. So what are we going to get? What we don't want. So everyone is charged to write down the description of the world they want to live in and write down the description of how they can serve. Universal law would take that over. And this is what we were seeking to do a few days ago with the MAYDAY World Meditation. Have millions of people began to stop, reset, and re-imagine the world we want to live in. We have to do that, and not the old forces. They want to control your life, and extract money from you by any means necessary.

We'll define the future. If you want to know what the future is create it, and you create it by defining it. This is what the law says, the law says, not you describe what you see. The law says you see what you describe. So again on the individual level, I ask how can I serve, on the universe level we have to all ask, we've to begin to get to describe the world we want to live in, particularly during this time of great changes 'cause nothing is, everything is malleable, nothing is set anymore, nothing is set.

Shawn Stevenson: Yeah.

Dr. Michael Beckwith: It's like Play-Dough, it's clay, we can, that clay is hot, it's, we can make some changes if we come out of fear and begin to describe the world we want to live in, and then I ask myself, "What's my role in it? What can I do?" And we all walk in that direction, excitement, enthusiasm, hopelessness to hope to faith, to conviction, things will change.

Shawn Stevenson: Lovely. Rev, you like for me and it's going to sound crazy Pinocchio, he's got Jiminy Cricket, his conscience, outside of himself. And I see you as that oftentimes.

Dr. Michael Beckwith: The Jiminy Cricket character? 

Shawn Stevenson: Yeah, yeah, yeah basically. But seriously, you put so much good energy out into the world and of course, I know that you know it comes through you, but you're a very remarkable human being and I'm just so grateful that you're on Earth right now. You know that you're on Earth right now for this moment. So thank you, man.

Dr. Michael Beckwith: But you know, this is our time.

Shawn Stevenson: Yeah.

Dr. Michael Beckwith: I've been telling people of this walk. This is the moment we've been waiting for because everything is flexible. Everything was hard before, this is the way it was. You could elect a president, you kind of knew what was going to happen. Things aren't like that anymore, things are in flux. Everything is fluxed up.

Shawn Stevenson: Yeah.

Dr. Michael Beckwith: So why don't we take the opportunity to say what we want to see? 

Shawn Stevenson: Ain't that right.

Dr. Michael Beckwith: Why don't we do it? 

Shawn Stevenson: Absolutely. Can you let folks know where they can get more...

Dr. Michael Beckwith: Yeah.

Shawn Stevenson: More information, more education, more just everything? 

Dr. Michael Beckwith: If they go to, in there, they'll be able to subscribe to my app. And they'll find something that says, They go there, subscribe to the app, then they go through the App Store, Beckwith Inspires. They'll find it MBB, and they get the app. If they want to participate in a really beautiful spiritual community, that's... We call it a dogma-free zone, Agape International. They can go to, and watch the services on Sunday. There are three. On the Agape Facebook, hey, noontime meditation, Morning Prayer, Friday night community gathering, crisis support. They can go to my Instagram. I have wonderful conversations with people on there as well as daily inspiration. But I'm easy to find, and I'm always in the vibration of serving the next paradigm, the emerging paradigm.

I'm here to serve. This is one thing people say to me sometimes, "These spiritual teachings, these spiritual principles, can they save the world?" And I always say, "What world do you want to save? Do you want to save the world in which black people are being killed by police officers? Do you want to save the world in which a virus is being politicized? Do you want to save the world in which we have a sick care system?" No, no. We want to serve the emerging paradigm. We don't want to save the old world, we want to evolve. So, these principles and things that I'm setting up, things you're doing, is actually being in service to the next iteration of who we can be. That's what it's about.

Shawn Stevenson: I feel so at peace right now. Thank you so much. Thank you for coming to hang out with us and thank you for sharing your gift. I appreciate you immensely.

Dr. Michael Beckwith: Thank you. Appreciate you.

Shawn Stevenson: Everybody, thank you so much for tuning in to the show today. Wow, I have very little to say right now. What's coming up for me, ironically, is I'm thinking about Westworld. I'm thinking about my wife. She knows that she could find a little loophole with me 'cause I'm like, "Baby I don't know, it's a little bit much." She's like, "But you can always learn something from it. That's what we do." And so we started watching the show. And it's very interesting, very creative, very innovative. But once you get to this last season, the current season of this show, folks are starting to realize that there's been this governing power outside of them that has been controlling their lives. And not to give everything away, if you haven't watched the show, but people were offered the opportunity to revolt. Things were really fluxed up. And they started to realize, even though my life is a certain way and it is chaotic, I still want the ability to choose. And we want to remember that we do not, if anything, allow our ability to choose to be taken away.

It's one of the most important things, right now. You have the choice. You have a choice to think the thoughts that you want to think, you have the choice to take the actions that you want to take to a reasonable degree. But we're at a place where, again, things are fluxed up and we have the ability to shift and maintain our ability to decide the path that we want for our lives. A lot is at stake right now. And it's actually a really beautiful thing, because like you said, there's an emerging paradigm. And for me, I thought it was so crazy that a show like this would come out right at this time, where it's this dystopian world. Everybody's got the mask on, people are rioting. How did they know? That message was there, it's channeled through some people. But when I see stuff like that, I think, "Does everybody else see what I'm seeing? Do they see what I'm seeing?" There's a message here. This is what we could be looking at if we don't change if we don't do something differently. I think a lot of us are even obsessed. The epidemic began, and you see the top five movies in the country is like pandemic outbreak. We want to get immersed in the fear. Let me draw it out a little bit more and just have something to feel and just hideout. Let me give myself more reason to be scared when we can look at so much that's empowering right now.



We can look at, again, so many wonderful things that are happening. Again, I love that he pointed this out specifically in this episode. It's not to ignore that negative, bad things aren't happening, but it's giving us an opportunity to do something about it. And so I'm asking you, "What are you going to do? What are you going to do about it?" You've got so much power and potential in you, but this is the time. This is really the time to take action. And make sure to check out his new app, you can get him right there on the phone, little push of the button, boop. You've got access to Michael Beckwith. And as I've shared many times already in this episode, he's been a huge inspiration in my life and I hope you got a lot of value out of this episode. If you did, please share it out with everybody that you care about. If you share it on social media, you can tag me and tag Michael as well and let us know what you thought of the episode.

And we've got some epic stuff coming your way. I'm not stopping anytime soon, alright. I'm going to help usher in that emerging paradigm and I know you going to help do the same. Alright, take care. Have an amazing day and I'll talk with you soon. And for more after the show, make sure to head over to That's where you can find all of the show notes, you could find transcriptions, videos for each episode and if you got a comment, you can leave me a comment there as well. And please make sure to head over to iTunes and leave us a rating to let everybody know that the show is awesome and I appreciate that so much. And take care, I promise to keep giving you more powerful, empowering, great content to help you transform your life. Thanks for tuning in.

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